From: William Putnam
To: Curtis Johnson
Date: Feb 11 1998 2:00:00 pm
Subject: Case #5
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CURTIS JOHNSON spoke thusly about: Case #5

WP> THERESE NEUMANN

WP> was indeed chosen for a special ministry -- a ministry that
WP> is rare, and seldom seen throughout the history of the Church.

CJ>	A ministry?  What good does spilt, untransfused blood
CJ> do?  Unless maybe it satisfies someone's taste for gore?

You dodge the issue, Curtis.  Why does this
woman have such manifestations?  Are they
not perhaps for all of us to see and reflect
upon the same sufferings, Christ endured on
the cross?  That was gory as well, Curtis.

WP> Few canonized saints were so privileged to be similarly
WP> "afflicted."

CJ>	AAMOF, none at all until St. Francis started the
CJ> fashion.

How did he do it, Curtis?

WP> Coincident to the opening up of the wounds, and the great flow
WP> of blood from every orifice, including the wounds along her
WP> forehead from the great thorns of the crown of thorns, she
WP> would go into as ecstatic trance.  Medical examinations by
WP> banks of medical doctors were on hand to measure every drop
WP> of blood, and to measure every bodily function during these
WP> events.  Nothing could be found to indicate fraud or deceit
WP> on anyone's part.  This went on for years and years, and are
WP> included in mountains and mountains of documents of the many
WP> years these events occurred during her lifetime.  But there
WP> was more to come.

CJ>	Note the trance part--and note that similar phenomena
CJ> are reproduced by hypnotism.

Who did the hypnotizing, Curtis?

WP> Therese came to take less and less food, until a time came when
WP> the only solid food taken was the Eucharist (the consecrated
WP> bread of Holy Communion.) She subsisted on only this meager meal
WP> for many years and up until her death.  She was closely monitored,
WP> and her every move was documented, and it has been carefully
WP> determined that indeed, the Eucharist was her ONLY meal.

CJ>	Scurvy weakens the walls of blood vessels.  It's the
CJ> first deficiency of a bread-and-water diet, which would take
CJ> well over a year to kill through diet deficiencies.

Is this relevant to the issue at hand? What has
this to do with a woman who remained the same
weight throughout this period?  How do you
explain that?

CJ>	Claims of subsisting on no food at all are sometimes
CJ> met in the holy men of other religions, particularly Hindu.
CJ> Why is your claim evidence for your religion, but not theirs
CJ> for their religion?

Curtis, I have never claimed that the Catholic
Church is the only religion that has these
phenomenon.  I simply have not seen it
documented. If the holy Hindu monks actually
did this, good for them!  How well is this
documented, Curtis?

CJ>	Incidentally, this might have been a rare opportunity
CJ> to settle the Eucharist dispute I wrote to you about the time
CJ> of your hiatus.  Before you hit the enter button, understand that
CJ> the term that will offend you was used by both sides of your own
CJ> denomination, as I told you then.

Coming up, I think:

CJ>	Did TN ever evacuate her bowels when she was receiving
CJ> only the Eucharist?  If so, then one side of the "shit-eater"
CJ> controversy about the Eucharist would have been vindicated--
CJ> the literal body of Christ would be turned by the believer's
CJ> body into shit.

I answer this despite the profane words as it is important.
This point came up in the investigation, and they found
that she had no bowl movements at all!  I think this is
covered extensively in the book I recommend.  No wait,
I saw that in the internet.  Do a search and see what you
find, Curtis.

WP> Other phenomenon documented includes speaking in tongues (All
WP> Pentecostals, take note), prophesy, many visions, cures, bi-
WP> location, and other phenomenon that are documented to the finest
WP> degree.

CJ>	". . .documented to the finest degree"?  70mm movies in
CJ> many angles were taken of her visions and bilocations???

That would have been nice if it were available,
Curtis.  Methinks that no fine art of documentation
will suffice for you, will it?  :-)

WP> Upon her death in 1962, the cause for beatification and ultimate
WP> canonization were immediately started.  Her story, not adequately
WP> told here, is for me, proof that God has left mighty "footprints"
WP> for all of to see and to believe. To read and see the whole
WP> story, one must acquire read the following biographical account:

WP> TAN Books and Publishers

The rest of your post deleted to eliminate the
crassness on your part, but I will say this,
TAN printed an English version of this book.
The original is obviously in French.  Does
that make you feel better?

Regards,

Bill

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