From: Richard Smith
To: Fredric Rice
Date: Jan 3 1998 5:25:02 pm
Subject: doubting gods
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};> J. Shaughnessy wrote in a message to Fredric Rice <:(

js> Hi again Freddie!

Man, she sure does like you a lot!

FR> Greetings!  Have you acquired an education in anything
FR> since you were last run out of HolySmoke by the blinding
FR> light of truth?
js> Hehehehe...Fred fred...you know you and your gang hear

c/hear/here

If we're part of your gang, Fredric, we oughtta have cool
jackets or something . . .

js> could never run me out of here.

After all, we've only done it twice . . . thankfully, this
loon appears to be a homing pigeon . . .

js> Only by you going against your own "basic tenant" of
js> freedom of speech could you have a prayer in hell.

So it is required to get rid of freedom of speech to pray?
Interesting.  Why does Joanne think you to be Uncle Sam,
though?

js> I have been browsing over the various messages here and
js> have only one question... for you and all the other
js> doubting god haters.
FR> Isn't it strange how the better educated constantly ask
FR> questions of the cultists among us and, while we rarely
FR> get an honest answer, said cultists seem to feel no
FR> compunction against asking their own questions?

Indeed, even when the fundy is begging the question, like
here . . .

js> I find it amusing that you see the Athiest as the better
js> educated...

c/Athiest/athiests
c/.../ . . .

Gee . . . what are the odds of THAT?

js> While it is true that many of your statements about
js> cultist groups do hold various amounts of truth, you
js> still miss the bigger picture.

That Joanne's a loon here to entertain us, right?

js> I for one am in total agreement with you when looking at
js> the numbers of different types of so called organized
js> religions that attempt to indoctrinate the world with
js> their form of truth. More times than not they are full
js> of deadly poison. I have mentioned before the groups who
js> make claims of being christian and have lead their
js> followers into death...

. . . Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Baptists, etc. . . .

js> To me and most balanced Christians

Stop the presses . . . we've found the replacement phrase
for Real True Xtian [tm].  I'm going to trademark Balanced
Xtian [tm] myself and avoid the rush . . .

js> that is incredibly sad and it sickens me. Even the most
js> recent being that group from Taiwan whos leader is
js> taking a bunch to Garland Tx to wait for God to arrive
js> in a Space ship (who will happen to look just like the
js> cults leader)... The Guy is sick and a total lunatic.

Is Joanne practicing medicine without a license?  The guy in
Garland has just as much evidence and argument for his
religious beliefs as Joanne does . . . ergo, they are
contemporaries/equals/peers.

js> This is not the "spirit of truth' anymore that that
js> group of Christians who followed David Koresh to their
js> death, or those that followed Jim Jones to their death.

. . . or any other Xtian sect . . .

js> For the record, most Christians who have learned the
js> Spirit of Truth have also learned when to question their
js> leader and walk away.

Joanne seems to be able to read the minds of most people
like her.  Scarey, huh?

FR> Oh:  Since none of us believe that your gods exist, how
FR> can we hate them? Do you also hate Santa Claus?  Or do
FR> you still cling to that childish belief as well?
js> That could be a problem for those that have not learned
js> to discern truth and tradition.

Or think adequately . . .

js> Don't you get tired of all those others that reject
js> God, just like you, but say it in such stupid ways???
js> I mean there are so many that have not got that same
js> level of intellect as you to hate God in your way.
FR> Picking through your illiterate query is a bit
FR> difficult and any interpretation of what you attempted
FR> to ask so ambiguously is bound to result in
FR> inaccuracies.
FR> Would you mind attempting to reword your query so that
FR> it more closely resembles English?

<excretia deletia>

She said NO.  How original.

js> How do you agree with them without
js> lowering yourself into a mental compromise???
FR> Agree with who?  About what?
js> Well some do not have the sauve tact that you have in
js> response, till you get frustrated.

Again, no answer from the lady . . .

js> Your hate for God is strong Freddie.....

FR> That's a curious accusation.  How can someone hate that
FR> which doesn't appear to exist?  Do you have any evidence
FR> for these gods of yours, by the way?

<begging of the question and crapola deleted>

She said NO again.

js> You have taught so many to hate God even more than they
js> would have ever thought, to the position of not even
js> being sure why....
FR> Do you have any evidence that I have "taught" anyone to
FR> hate gods?  I want names, if you would please.  I want
FR> to be sure that they remember me come Christmas time.
js> Matter of fact it is Christmas now as I write this and I
js> am sure that many will remember you. I had a good friend
js> over tonight who remembered your last name anyway. She
js> said something about how she (a christian) would 'know
js> you' if you pasted her on the street...What I am sure
js> she meant was she would not get that feeling of love and
js> fellowship.

. . . in other words, Joanne was lying . . .

js> it is because you make such strong anti-christ
js> statements... I would suppose that is something others
js> can look up too...
FR> Unlike you and your fellow slaves, the better educated
FR> here don't need anyone to "look up to."  That's an
FR> artifact of your own particular pathology, James.
js> Your are convined, as I am, of a truth to hold and
js> protect. The point I make is that you hold on an
js> individuals demand to be left alone in ones solitude and
js> others, in their way, join with you to re-confirm and
js> support that ideology. And I find I am standing with you
js> in what you are being told about Christianity. There is
js> a lot of garbage out there.

. . . and her hands aren't very clean, Fredric.

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Richard Smith

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