Messages Dated June 2003
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Diploma mills
I grew up in an atheistic family; my Father tended to regard all religions as on a par with carnival games: gaudy devices for separating people from their money by means of glittering promises. I would only go perhaps 75% of the way with him on this (regression toward the mean, I suppose). I recognize that other people get certain sensations as part of the religious experience that I simply do not feel, which makes it easy for me to

Sights in DC
Hi Gang, Walking to work t'other morning, cruising down Pennsylvania Avenue by the Treasury Building, what to my wondering eyes should appear but an entire gaggle--25 to 30--of well scrubbed white guys headed for the White House. They all looked like recent high school graduates, and all were dressed in dark blue (of various shades), white shirts, and ties. "My God!" I cried to the woman walking next to me, "it's the attack of the killer Mormons!" It always makes

Diploma mills
a an Yes, you're right. Some positive claims cannot be proven too, that doesn't mean that "you cannot prove a positive".

Diploma mills
Baloney. Some negatives can be proven. Some can be refuted. Negativity is irrelavent. What matters is the scope of the claim and the inherent detectability of it. If I claim that the space shuttle Discovery is not sitting in the park accross the street, it takes only a glance at the park to prove or refute the claim. The same is true for the opposite claim, that it _is_ sitting in the park accross the street. In this case, both

A sensible christian
They are the champions of the world, man.

A sensible christian
Don would more easily know the Queen of the Night.

Diploma mills
Sure! Negative balances in check books can be, etc. But that's NOT the point. That which exhibits not evidence cannot be proven! Jeez! No evidence=no proof. Meaning they can be DISproven! True. And disproving is NOT proving! But what you made there is a POSITIVE claim! Now prove that an invisible and undetectable/immeasurable SNORG isn't sitting on your face!!!! You can't!!! EITHER would be POSITIVE claims! You obviously don't have the mental where-with-all to understand the VERY simple truth about

Goodman worries about the
I wonder if Frank will show up...

Diploma mills
"When was the last time you were caught beating your wife?" Obviously, such a statement cannot be refuted because it is a negative. There are similar questions along the same lines. For example, during the presidential campaign, Bush the Younger was asked by journalists when was the last time he used cocaine. It is an impossible question to answer, given that it cannot be proven if one has or has not ever used cocaine. As such, there will always be

A sensible christian
What weight class? (don.martin@hq.med.va.gov)

A sensible christian
As sung by Bubbles Silverman. (don.martin@hq.med.va.gov)

Diploma mills
No disagreement there. Now try refuting something I actually said. You have an opportunity to improve your thinking, but have chosen instead to try to save face by defending a demonstrably false statement and arrogantly deriding one who opposes it. _I_ understand the concept perfectly well. Well enough, in fact, to recognize that the phrase cannot be correct without the use of bizarre definitions chosen for the express purpose of compensating its inherent flaws. As I've said before, my disagreement

Diploma mills
a You deliver this after claiming that _I_ am missing the point? Amazing. Some arguments are so far off the mark as to discredit themselves, and thus require no counter argument. I submit your last paragraph above as an example of this.

A sensible christian
"And, we'll still be fighting to the end..." Never heard of them... The Mighty Ducks play game 7 on Monday, 5PM PDT

Goodman worries about the
I dunno. And I really don't much care. He is so breathtakingly obtuse that his only visible function is as an object of ridicule, and I would just as soon not break the rules in your echo. I shall reply to his stuff here, so if I am feeling a bit venomous, I can at least entertain others with it. Since he is endlessly accusing me of being antireligious there, it might be instructive for him to be exposed to

Greenish lefty....
Do they regularly drive combines down the main street of their towns? Or if they raise beef, do they regularly drive herds down the main street of that town to the trains station? Can you imagine why these situations are no longer legal in just about every town? Or do you think that the slightest convenience for one person should regularly vastly disconvenience everyone else?

Wondering
It's been longer since either was an active threat to the United States. (Though I am a bit worried about the current N Korean crisis, the W administration did a good bit to bring it about.) A silver lining to my delayed reply--the recent Pew project world polling shows just astoundingly low the Bush administration has brought us in the eyes of the world, thanks to the totally unnecessary Iraq war. And the sheep analogy would never apply to the

ATHEISTS DOING Passable Work.
So apparently, yes, that was your defense. Along with a lot of name-calling.

Wondering
I'm not the one who's immediately degenerating into name-calling instead of dealing with the issues. See your own posts that I've replied to in this packet.

Moon Landings Hoax
th to Take a look at the CRC Handbook, which under "Physical Data for the Planets, Their Satellites and Some Asteroids" gives mean orbital velocity from surface of Earth as 29.77 km/sec, but only 1.02 km/sec from the surface of the moon. (The lunar lander only had to descend from lunar orbit and return to lunar orbit; moreover, its mass was small fraction of that returning to Earth--and the lunar orbiter itself was cast aside after return rendezvous.) a What