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Re: PA Murders
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: PA Murders On 28 Jun 1998, Ken Young wrote: I have no doubt that some do; I also have no doubt that some don't. showed I'm not sure if I'd be so quick to say that a belief about things religious counts as a "religious belief"; at least, not if it inspires the analogy that I have communistic beliefs because I

Re: Dogs on the Ark!
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Dogs on the Ark! On 30 Jun 1998, Laurie Appleton wrote: Depends on the spin you're putting on Eldredge's admission. As far as promoting the strength of the creationist's case, the remainder of the quotation clearly shows that Eldredge thinks their case is weak, and that their success is attributable to stage presence and skillful debating. I don't think anyone who's

Re: Sunday Skool!
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Sunday Skool! On 28 Jun 1998, Dave Hamilton wrote: I recall once speaking of this matter with a fundamentalist Christian who referred to the apple as "Miltonizing"; I do not know if the "apple-tradition" started with Milton's _Paradise Lost_ or whether he got it from previous sources, but that poem's being part of the Western canon might have a lot to

Re: PA Murders
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: PA Murders On 3 Jul 1998, Steve Quarrella wrote: Just got it. I find I don't have time to read all of the messages and tend to deselect most within a line or two; but I got this one. Cheers, Gated by the premier Fido Technology Networks gateway Providing USENET, Internet Email and FIDO feeds via

Re: Sunday Skool (b)
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Sunday Skool (b) On 13 Jul 1998, Joe Martin wrote: I have discovered it best to keep in mind that the definition of evolution a la changes in allele frequencies is a definition favoured by those biologists (and perhaps not all) who work as geneticists; my impression is that biologists like Mayr will not take this genetics-emphasizing definition as orthodoxy (whereas

Re: Hitler, Good Christian
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Hitler, Good Christian On 13 Jul 1998, Bob Hyde wrote: In and of itself, no. But if the best accounts of Nelson's historical role in said battle were written some 30-70 years after the fact by fervent believers in the Admiral's holy role in the conflict (with there being accounts occurring earlier but such accounts notably lacking in the historical details

Re: Psychiatrists NOT Scientists.
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Psychiatrists NOT Scientists. On 12 Jul 1998, Laurie Appleton wrote: Actually, the bit you quoted above appears to involve more Darwin's consistency. That's not the impression I have from the reading that I've done; perhaps it depends on how you define "progress", for there's much honest doubt that Darwinism was based on the idea of, say, inevitable progress toward a definite

Re: Dogs on the Ark.
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Dogs on the Ark. Hello Laurie. Somehow I didn't notice this response when posted to me, although I noticed someone else quoted the text in a message he wrote so I'll try to salvage the message from him. Not one whit; although I'm assuming it is not the mere fact that interests you but: 1) the assumption that Eldredge was correct,

Re: Request.
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Request. On 15 Jul 1998, Per Edman wrote: It's Ronald L. Numbers, actually, and the book is excellent. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with the book, though. Gated by the premier Fido Technology Networks gateway Providing USENET, Internet Email and FIDO feeds via Email, FTP. Other nets available, too. Come join us!

Re: Mystery
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Mystery On 16 Jul 1998, Langston Goldfinch wrote: "click" their Maybe you should read through these books in an unexpurgated copy of the same Bible to see if you get any ideas. Cheers, Gated by the premier Fido Technology Networks gateway Providing USENET, Internet Email and FIDO feeds via Email, FTP. Other nets available, too. Come

Re: Sexual Acts
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Sexual Acts On 14 Jul 1998, Tim Rivera wrote: where Which is? Cheers, Gated by the premier Fido Technology Networks gateway Providing USENET, Internet Email and FIDO feeds via Email, FTP. Other nets available, too. Come join us! See "http://www.ftn.org" for details.

Re: "Give him a hand!"
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: "Give him a hand!" On 17 Jul 1998, Tim Rivera wrote: was you. How "precisely" is this precisely you're speaking of, here? What, precisely, do you mean by "precisely how" Jesus will return? Cheers, Gated by the premier Fido Technology Networks gateway Providing USENET, Internet Email and FIDO feeds via Email, FTP. Other nets available, too.

Re: "Give him a hand!"
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: "Give him a hand!" On 17 Jul 1998, Richard Smith wrote: Although scholarly dates for the various gospels vary, there seems to be something of a consensus that John is written last (although no later than 125 A.D. for there's some manuscript fragment). Cheers, Everything I've remembered of what I've read on this subject suggests that the author of John's gospel

Re: Theodosius Dobzhansky.
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Theodosius Dobzhansky. On 18 Jul 1998, God Dan wrote: Apparently his achievements have distinguished him (I see his name come up when Ernst Mayr talks about the evolutionary synthesis in the 40s, or at least recall so seeing). Cheers, Gated by the premier Fido Technology Networks gateway Providing USENET, Internet Email and FIDO feeds via Email,

Re: PA Murders
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: PA Murders On 18 Jul 1998, Ken Young wrote: bodies By this reasoning (I'm assuming you're claiming that sexual organs were intended for procreation), masturbating goes against what our bodies are for; or does pleasure therefore become an allowable "function" of the body, so including masturbation? But if so, how is homosexuality ruled out again? I have no idea how you'd

Re: Balanced Treatment.
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Balanced Treatment. On 21 Jul 1998, Laurie Appleton wrote: Here's an interesting thing to notice: in other messages you've seemingly inferred that if Creationists won the majority (or nearly all, or something along these lines) of public debates with scientists then that must bolster the evidential merit of Creationism; yet, you do recognize that smart lawyers can influence a judgement (and

Re: Who is the Idiot?
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Who is the Idiot? On 26 Jul 1998, Dave Hamilton wrote: The ambiguity of the word "faith", in this citation, is unfortunate. From my reading a good number of Christian scientists were inspired by their confidence that the creation was an orderly one and so could lend itself to rational investigation (Newton comes to mind). That such a connection might be

Re: Your "Sinless" Past!
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Your "Sinless" Past! On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 mkimes@ibm.net wrote: Hmmmm...not sure what Plantinga would have to say to this, but it would likely be complicated and involve modal logic Cheers, Gated by the premier Fido Technology Networks gateway Providing USENET, Internet Email and FIDO feeds via Email, FTP. Other nets available, too. Come join

Re: Change
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Change On 4 Aug 1998, DAVID RICE wrote: I'm not sure if this is equivalent to another popular way of conceiving of evolutionary speciation, viz. the division of one population into two different populations that cannot produce fertile offspring by interbreeding. In fact, the more I think about it the more they don't seem to be equivalent unless *any* change in

Re: Narrator or Transcriber (b)
REPLYTO 1:2424/11.1 UUCP REPLYADDR holysmoke@gryn.org GID GIGO+ sn 245 at tor250 vsn 0.99.970109 From: Tyler Wunder <twunder@bu.edu> Subject: Re: Narrator or Transcriber (b) On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, J.J. Hitt wrote: I thought I'd mention one more change that I wouldn't mind seeing in a new edition/translation of the scriptures (or at least of the NT): arrange the books (or group them) in chronological order, viz. begin with the letters of Paul and the other pre-Jewish revolt material, THEN provide